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Old 09-30-2008, 06:21 PM
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How come sometimes people who were told their Medical Condition cannot be cured but only controlled...?


went and found a way to cure it permanately?
Sometimes it gets accidently cured, sometimes a person does it through determination.
For example (Spontaneous Remission of) Cancer, Athma, or Diabetes.



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Sceptie - isn't that exactly what you doctors are doing?? Keeping the patient happy and without pain, till the mother nature will heal him/her or till the poor soul will die??
That's all you can and do.
And if the patients will heal themselves with the help of naturopathy?
The mighty medical science has no explanation except -Spontaneous Remission!
Please don't tell me you really believe in it.




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Because Docters and pharmacies do not make money by curing people, only by trying to control one problem by getting them hooked on medications.
There are lots of natural cures for cancer, AIDS, and more, that have and DO work, but the FDA and others do not want people to find out about these. The FDA and docters work hand in hand with pharmacies in the viscious circle.
Smart people who see this facade can find a real natural cure through determination, as you mentioned, or by other methods.
The bottom line is docters are not in business for your health, they are in business for the MONEY!! Most medicines have worst side affects then the actual problem they were originally prescribed for. Don't be blind and put all of your faith in modern medicine, think OUTSIDE the box, and see the real reasons people are hooked on more medications, and generally unhealthier today then ever before!!



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Because no one is a text book.
Conditions which kill you slowly but you can kep at bay and control such as DM2 can revese under certain circumstances.

other Diseses like MS go into permanent remission in about 10% of cases.

Other conditions may be present and either not active or not causing symptoms.

The will to improve and recover and beat a condition could be a large contributing factor in cases of remission.

Edit:
Skep doc your blog below illustrates exactly why convetnional medicine is failing so many people and altmed is filling that gap and growing.

"Well over 50% of the things I see in the office I know are self limited illnesses/injuries that the healthy body will be able to deal with. My job in that case is to reassure people they will get better with time, and advice on mitigating the symptoms.
A homeopath would put someone on a 30C potion and claim credit for curing them."
Depending on what you mean by self limiting illnesses/injuries
probably 99% of the people I see come into that catagory. Does that mean they are unworthy of treatment?
OsteoArthritis will never kill you but can be an incredibly painful condition (I know this personally. I've had it for 18 years. relief from osteopthic treatment is what promted me to become an osteopath), Should it remain untreated because its not going to kill them and just let it degenerate to the point where prosthetic joint replacement surgery is needed so that you "Real Medics" can work your miracles?

Injuries aren't always completely self correcting. I've met a few people who had a fall on the Coccyx years ago and have never been right since.
Many people I treat are as a result of musculoskeletal compensations due to injuries that haven't fully resolved leading to reduced mobility in the tissues involved. Should I turn them away and tell them not to be so silly and stop moaning?###

"AltMed is suitable for people who aren't actually very sick."
##agree we tend to treat people who have chronic conditions which conventional medicine doesn't treat very well###

" you need all the attention and touchy-feely-spiritual-woowoo aspects of it, if there is something missing in your life that needs support from a mystic...well , fine. . However when people have serious illnesses or injuries...they almost always turn to modern medicine."
####Maybe you should pay your patients a bit more attention and you may get closer to the bottom of what is causing their problems.
1 in 5 women have endometriosis. In NZ the average length of time between a patient first complaing of symptoms and getting a diagnosis is 10 years and 7 visits to a GP with the same complaint.
You'd understand this if it was rare but its as common as muck!
In that 10 years the woman may well suffer heavy painful periods, painful intercourse subfertility, infertility, mood swings from a wildly fluctuating hormone cycle along with scarring and cyst formation which can end up becoming space occupying lesions impinging tissues and organs. If shes really lucky all of these things may occur fistulas making the condition potentially life threatening.

So they should just put up and shut up because you can't cure it or treat it and it probably ain't gonna kill you right?

Is it any wonder that they come to us when they have low back pain and feeling crap because of hormone irregularities, cos we give them a little more sympathy and can help with the symptoms?

Don't get me wrong Skepdoc, if I broke my leg, I'd wanna be in an A& E to get it fixed. You wouldn't see me near an Allopath if I had a disc bulge unless it needed surgical intervention.



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It is known that cancer will sometimes spontaneously remit...in the same way that it spontaneously appears, I might point out. I don't know why this happens, neither does anybody else, though there are some clues in current genetic research.
Asthma is a condition that may wax and wane. Kids often grow out of it, though sometimes it will reappear later in life.
Diabetes type 2 is a disease of lifestyle...overeating, obesity and lack of exercise...if you stop eating so much crap, lose weight and exercise...your diabetes is cured. No magic.

Many conditions...say Diabetes type 1, can't be cured only controlled at this point. Stem cell research is an area that holds promise for a cure in the future. I've never heard of a case of type 1 DM spontaneously remitting. There is no "alternative" or "natural" way of treating type 1 diabetes....take insulin or die. It's not a cure, but people live out relatively normal lives they otherwise wouldn't if not for modern science.

I don't care how "determined" you are....other than lifestyle changes, you can't "think" or even "pray" your way to cure a disease.

What was your question again?

EDIT: I just responded to the 3 diseases you specifically mentioned. Cancer isn't one disease, by the way, it is hundreds of different diseases where something switches on a cell line to overgrow. In some cases we know what the trigger is..in others we don't as yet, but research continues.
Many conditions can be cured....in particular by surgery. Appendicitis is "cured" by removing the appendix for example. No amount of homepathic placebos or naturopathic detoxes or waving of crystals will do anything. Modern surgical technique, supported by technology, pharmacology...saves millions of lives.
The human body has evolved remarkable abilities to deal with infectious disease....the scourge of mankind throughout history...and diseases keep evolving ways of overcoming the bodies defenses. Antibiotics and vaccinations have cured or prevented millions of deaths from diseases that in times past would have killed people...if just left to the body's own healing abilities.

I have never said we know everything, one of the things that makes science so interesting is looking into the mysteries of how things work. But at least we are trying to understand.
Well over 50% of the things I see in the office I know are self limited illnesses/injuries that the healthy body will be able to deal with. My job in that case is to reassure people they will get better with time, and advice on mitigating the symptoms.
A homeopath would put someone on a 30C potion and claim credit for curing them.

AltMed is suitable for people who aren't actually very sick. If you need all the attention and touchy-feely-spiritual-woowoo aspects of it, if there is something missing in your life that needs support from a mystic...well , fine. . However when people have serious illnesses or injuries...they almost always turn to modern medicine.



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